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Beth Wellington is a Blacksburg, Virginia-based poet and journalist. She is a contributing editor to the New River Free Press, a book reviewer for the Roanoke Times and writes for Appalachian Voice and She is a member of the Southern Appalachian Writers Cooperative (SAWC) and edits for Wikipedia. From 1980 to 1997, she was the founding Executive Director of New River Community Sentencing, Inc. in Christiansburg, Virginia and its predecessor, New River Community Action's Community Sentencing Program. You can find her blog on culture and politics, The Writing Corner, [1] here].

-- Hi Beth, welcome to SourceWatch if you have any queries feel free to drop me a line. (contacts at the bottom of the page) cheers --Bob Burton 15:31, 1 Mar 2006 (EST)

hi and walmart cite

hello Beth, I noticed your WalMart reference on BBurton's talk page, so I am dumping this here too. I know it is impolite to paste and run, but...

SacBee article regarding WalMart and Ca. politics

Los Angeles City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo, who's battling Oakland Mayor Jerry Brown for the Democratic nomination for attorney general, expressed regrets Thursday about his role in recruiting Wal-Mart to Los Angeles.

Delgadillo, in a breakfast meeting with The Bee's Capitol Bureau, said he was unaware of Wal-Mart's critics in 1997, when he was a Los Angeles deputy mayor who helped bring the giant retailer to Panorama City.

Delgadillo has called Wal-Mart a "predator" on the middle class and his campaign has chastised Brown for bringing a store to Oakland and accepting $10,600 in campaign contributions from Wal-Mart heir John Walton and his wife, Christy. Brown, in response, resurrected Delgadillo's role in attracting the Panorama City store.

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cc: DianeF - BobB -- BWellington

Wellington? what a name.

cheers --Hugh Manatee 11:08, 3 Mar 2006 (EST)

apologies for the duration in this reply. I finally got arounbd to upgrading my computer, have been playing around, as well as transfering files, and learning the differences between win2000 and XP pro. The box is on the upper end of presently available desktops. Dual 64 bit AMD processor, and 2 gig of ram. It's nice to have a stable system again. My last box was afflicted with mother board seizures, and was liable to fault out at inopportune moments.

"And is Manatee a handle or by birth?"

just one of many suedoes, but it's kinder and gentler than its evil twin: jennicks.

btw, the story regarding the surname is better than being related to the Duke. A paternal great-grandfather of mine jumped a German warship in Seattle at the beginning of the 20th century, and used an English surname too; showing great initiative. How soon America has forgotten its sorrid past of tired, hungry and poor. Illegals, in almost everyone's history.

--Hugh Manatee 17:09, 10 Mar 2006 (EST)

Reference templates/the cite extension

Had a query from Beth Willington, who is a new user, "Are there templates for references or do you just cite external links?" - you are more up on the new ref style than i -- must confess I haven't had time to catch up. Can you post a note to Beth at thanks - --Bob Burton 01:16, 2 Mar 2006 (EST)

Hi Beth, welcome to Sourcewatch! Yes, the ref and note templates work exactly the same way as over at wikipedia, however we've only just started using them. See Bernard Ingham for an article which partially uses them. Cheers, --Neoconned 00:15, 3 Mar 2006 (EST)
Neoconned, the reference template I use at Wikipedia lets you type in references where you place the footnotes, using a format like "[1]" and then automatically compiles them at the bottom when you set up a section, "==References==
  1. Title. Title of Complete Work. Retrieved on YYYY-MM-DD.
  2. " It did not work here. See [2] for the list I've been using. There may be others. (To actually read the script for the template, hit "edit" for this section to read the html.)

    Hi Beth, Those templates are actually a wrapper around an extension to the wikimedia software called Cite. That extension is currently not installed on the SW wiki. It does seem nice and i think we should definitely look at using it on SW (although I don't like the way it makes you put the full citation in the article text). However, there is an issue with that extension: it doesn't work with some recent versions of the wikimedia software. The author of the extension has indicated that he cannot for the time being fix the problem. I reckon we should hold back from relying on it until it's an integral part of the wikimedia software. However, as with so many things, I could be totally wrong! Cheers, --Neoconned 07:16, 9 Mar 2006 (EST)
    Thanks for your reply. (Sorry forgot to sign the last entry. If the bugs are worked out, the reason it's handy is that you're going to have to list the info someplace. This automatically reorders the footnotes. Otherwise the numbers are meaningless and you have to keep figuring out where to put the reference in alphabetical order, if there are a lot of them. Might not be as much of a problem at SW as at W. It's just a bit inconvenient to have to rewrite the references for an adapted article.--Beth Wellington 18:56, 9 Mar 2006 (EST)
    Hi Beth, I hope you don't mind me moving the entire thread here. It'll make it easier for others to follow. You're raising an interesting point. Firstly, with the ref/note templates (which are also widely used at wikipedia), the ordering of the references is automatic. However, the list of citations is certainly not automatically ordered. But at SW we have some fairly non-arbitrary rules for ordering citations... and the fact that the Cite extension takes away this control is quite a drawback, I think. Here are some conventions:
    • Order citations by date
    • Where there are a large number of citations, add an "Articles" (and possibly "Books") subsection to External Links
    • Where the subject of the article is herself an author, further subsection the Articles (possibly Books) subsections so that the author's own publications are in a separate section or sections.
    • Not all citations in External Links are necessarily referenced in the article. For example, only some of an article subject's publications may be referenced - but we clearly want to have all his/her articles cited in one section. Cite doesn't allow this either.
    For example, please see the article on Keith Parker. Therefore, I'd like to see "class", "sortbydate", and "noref" options added to the Cite extension, to provide the control needed for the above. Looking at some of the discussions on wikimedia, I see others have suggested some of this too. So I think that Cite has got a way to go. Just producing a single list ordered by citation sequence is definitely not up to scratch for our purposes. Regards, --Neoconned 21:43, 9 Mar 2006 (EST)

    Wilson Research Strategies

    Hi Beth, Please could you add supporting references to the articles on Sean McCaffrey and Wilson Research Strategies, in line with SW's referencing policy? Please remember that unlike at Wikipedia, direct and convenient references to support all assertions in an article are compulsory here, not an optional extra! Cheers, --Neoconned 00:31, 10 Apr 2006 (EDT)

    Sorry Beth, but your contributions are still under-referenced. The standard here is a direct, convenient inline ref for each and every assertion in the article. That means more work for you (and I) when writing the article, but much less work for the reader when verifying the article's accuracy. I've added an example ref for Leslie Buford to show you what I mean. Could you please clear up the backlog before adding further articles? It's a good idea to ensure your contributions are up to the required referencing standard as you go along, rather than promising yourself you'll come back to it later. Cheers, --Neoconned 22:41, 10 Apr 2006 (EDT)

    Hi Beth, in the case of Capital Research Center's National Advisory Board there was a link to an archived version of the CRC's board of trustees page, but the link had been incorrectly formatted. That link backs up nearly all the info in the article, but some of the entries which have been expanded on do require additional refs. And you're right, there are articles in here (particularly older ones) which don't meet the standards, but we're working on it! If you find examples, please flag them up. I think the fiasco at Wikipedia over the JFK assassination smear has focused the minds of everyone. Cheers, --Neoconned 21:34, 11 Apr 2006 (EDT)

    new page

    Hi Beth,

    I just wanted to let you know I created a new page on the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act ( Feel free to help improve it. Thanks and have a good day.

    Elliott Fullmer, Associate Managing Editor


    hi, Beth,

    Thanks for your notes. On the African American Environmentalist Association, while Norris and the group certainly act like fronts for the nuclear industry, including having membership in CASEnergy, I have yet to come across any info on monetary ties or other evidence that would definitively put them in the "front group" category. The closest I've come is finding that they / he participated in NEI-organized pro-Yucca Mtn events in 2002.

    Bob and I are continuing to research them, and would greatly appreciate any info or leads that you or others could offer!

    best, Diane Farsetta 14:35, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

    formatting for full refs

    Hi Beth

    I did a little formatting on the Johns Manville page -- in particular I converted the simple ref link to the preferred full reference link see here for how I did it -- for details on why we prefer full references and how to do them pleas see Help:References). Would you be able to expand the other refs in the Johns-Manville page to the full refs format? with thanks --Bob Burton 04:31, 20 February 2009 (EST)