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Quick question

hi, Neoconned,

I have a quick question for you. Could you please email me at diane(AT)

thanks, Diane Farsetta 13:12, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Honest Reporting disinfo man

Relationship diagrams

Hi Neoconned, I like the idea of being able to supplement words decribing complex relationships with a diagram. I had a look at your sample a few days back and thought it was great. I guess my only comments from an editorial side would be: a) if we instal the graph capacity we'll need to create some help pages to explain how it works and is edited; and b) I'll think a little more about what the best system for checking diagrams for accuracy might be - referenced words are easier to cross check but still important diagrams are right. cheers --Bob Burton 16:42, 24 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Hi Bob, glad you like the idea. As regards (a), obviously I'm happy to contribute to such help pages. As regards (b), I'll be interested to see what you come up with! --Neoconned 21:00, 25 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Clickable Nodes

Thanks for the heads up, by the way, Neoconned; Graphviz supports clickable nodes natively, and it shouldn't be a problem to script it up. Peter Danenberg 02:55, 4 May 2005 (EDT)


Tks for the suggestion. I tried but all that happened was I got bounced to Wikipedia before I could do anything. So I tried Hugh's suggestion of and that opened the page so I could delete the redirect.

But on the general point I agree such redirects are useless. Any ideas on what would be the best way to search for any others lurking in SW that only contain a redirect to Wikipedia? I'd like to get rid of the lot of them. cheers --Bob Burton 05:39, 23 May 2005 (EDT)

Agree with Bob

... admit at times to being guilty of using these redirects to the Wikipedia although it appeared to be "the way it was done" if the Wikipedia seemed to have a topic well covered ... will make a concerted effort now to refer to the Wikipedia either directly below the subject line on a new article page (if there is no other information to add at the time) or in the External Links section when appropriate, particularly since there are several other wiki pedias out there (i.e. the dKosopedia). Artificial Intelligence 05:53, 23 May 2005 (EDT)

National Missile Defense

  • Linked as many articles as I could recall to the category.
  • Launched a stub to connect the topic (US) to the category.

Hope this helps ... saw this one coming long ago Artificial Intelligence 13:41, 28 May 2005 (EDT)

Thanks AI. I was surprised when I realized there was no central SW article on this topic. For the UK, it's another glorious and national-pride-enhancing opportunity for us to provide political cover to George Bush. --Neoconned 13:46, 28 May 2005 (EDT)

SQL dump

Hi, N. I got your message about the problem with the MySQL dump. Just this week we finally hired a webmaster, and I'll have her take care of this. (I'm trying to transition myself out of webmaster duties as quickly as possible, and this will be a good opportunity for her to learn some of the details involved in administering SourceWatch.) It may take a couple of days for her to get around to this, but we should have it for you by next week at the latest. --Sheldon Rampton 01:34, 10 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Thanks, Sheldon. --Neoconned 06:18, 10 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Hi, N. The SQL dump is complete... you can download it at:
--Patricia Barden 13:03, 21 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Hi Tricia. First, congratulations on and best of luck in your new job! Thanks for sorting out the database backup. (BTW there's a minor error in the link you gave, which I've fixed). I tried downloading the backup, but it seems to be cutting out at about 51MB, although the claimed size of the backup is 95MB. I tried twice - once using Firefox's download manager, and once using the freeware Xi download manager. Both cut out at around but not exactly the same file size. (I'm getting a download speed of about 250KB/sec so trying again is no great sweat!) I don't think it's a timeout problem at my end, since I get more or less the same behaviour from two different download managers. Any ideas? --Neoconned 10:51, 22 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Hi, N. Thanks for the well wishes! I'm going to do a another dump, compress the file, and email it to you. It would be helpful if you could add your email address to your user information on SourceWatch.
--Patricia Barden 12:52, 23 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Hi Tricia. I've managed to download it ok now, thanks. I discovered that for some reason, I can resume the download (in Xi download manager) by disconnecting and reconnecting my ADSL connection once the download stalls. No idea why, but it works! --Neoconned 23:43, 23 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Hi, N. Because of possible security issues associated with the SQL dump file, we are temporarily removing the link. If, in the future, you need a copy of this file, please email bob AT and we'll send one to you.
--Patricia Barden 00:07, 24 Aug 2005 (EDT)


Actually just had a quick look - looks fine. I'll drop the person who queried the entry a note mentioning updating. cheers --Bob Burton 08:10, 18 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Re Satire and sarcasm in SW articles

Perhaps you'd like a helping hand .. I'm sure that making SW PC will keep us both busy for some time.

The use of the strikeout device in Peace Vigil in Crawford, Texas was a direct quote ... thanks for editing the author's original wording. I'm sure he'd be pleased.

Artificial Intelligence 13:47, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)

BTW .. the slam on "palatial ranch" is on the fact that it used to be a pig farm ... and the protesters were sitting in a ditch ...

Hi AI, OK I now see what happened there. However, there was absolutely nothing to indicate to the reader that the bulleted list was a direct quotation from Raw Story. The reader shouldn't have to follow a reference to determine whether the content of a paragraph is a direct quotation, a paraphrasing, or original content. If content is copied verbatim from an external site, as in this case it was, that fact should be clearly indicated by quotation marks, and preferably an explicit preamble.
My concern is not about whether SW is PC or not. It's about trying to make sure articles are written in an appropriate style. Articles should not read like personal blog entries. --Neoconned 14:09, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Might I ask a favor? Perhaps the next time you think that something I have written resembles a "personal blog entry", please contact me directly and ask me about it before deleting or editing the entry. I will gladly tweak the entry to correct it appropriately. Artificial Intelligence 14:26, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)
But AI, the point is you didn't write that section. You copied it verbatim from an external blog, without indicating that fact to the reader. The section certainly read as if you had written it, and nearly all readers will have assumed that. But you hadn't written it.
This is a wiki. We're not supposed to have to ask each other for permission before making changes to articles! That said, I nearly always refrain from making changes to articles I haven't had much involvement with. However, if any one of us sees something that he/she thinks is inappropriate for SW, I think it's important to do something about it. Furthermore, I took the trouble to explain my edit to you straightaway. --Neoconned 14:40, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)

You on a new email address? Just got a bounced message. Drop me a line if you have a new one - otherwise might just be a server down. cheers --Bob Burton 22:07, 24 Nov 2005 (EST)

Thanks -- I agree. No way of know what the origin of ther material is. --Bob Burton 15:21, 13 Dec 2005 (EST)

--- tks for the typo catch -- got distracted. --Bob Burton 02:56, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)

-- re referencing mention - I agree. I started revamping the Help pages the other day and want to include a section on referencing. --Bob Burton 23:38, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)

help bar NICE! Thank you!

Hi, Neo. Interesting idea for the navbar. I've got a question, though: Won't it be hard to maintain? For example, you've got an offset of 186 for categories that begin with "R." (I think the actual offset should be 185.) But won't the offsets change every time someone adds a new category?

There are some schemes for adding navigation at MediaWiki extensions. I haven't tested them to know how well they work, but if you're interested in getting something added to SourceWatch, I could have you talk with our webmaster. --Sheldon Rampton 13:58, 14 Mar 2006 (EST)

Re, "recurring": I just mean that it's a page that recurs on every page of the entire website and therefore should be protected so that only sysops can edit it. Otherwise it becomes an attractive target for vandals. --Sheldon Rampton 14:02, 14 Mar 2006 (EST)

Thanks for info on citations

Thanks. Keep me posted as things evolve. (Answered here, rather than at thread, so you would know I had received your detailed explanation.--Beth Wellington 23:17, 15 Mar 2006 (EST)

Wilson Research Associates

Actually Wikipedia requires references too. Mine are in the body, but didn't have time tonight to add a reference section due to library closing. they print out when you print the article. If you want to add them tonight fine, otherwise I will add them tomorrow. --Beth Wellington 01:13, 10 Apr 2006 (EDT)

Thank you for the example. I don't have time to get it up to snuff tonight but will work on it. I had seen many other articles on Sourcewatch with no footnotes leading back to the organization's site. For example, see Capital Research Center's National Advisory Board.--Beth Wellington 20:07, 11 Apr 2006 (EDT)

Hi Neoconned - I've moved and replied to your comments to me on my page as they are addressed to me and cover a number of issues. Best - --Ben Malcom

re upload verification

You wrote: Hi AI,

Could you please do me a favour? Could you check the following screengrabs which I previously uploaded to SW:

against these pages which have for some reason survived in the cache of one particular Google server:

Please also use this NSLOOKUP to verify that the server in question is really a Google one:

Having done so, if you think that the screengrabs are accurate and non-fraudulent, could you please sign both Image pages (which can be edited like any other article) with a statement to that effect. User:Ben Malcom has challenged their authenticity, so I'd like to establish this beyond doubt.

Many thanks, --Neoconned 00:31, 8 May 2006 (EDT)


As for the authenticity of the screen grabs, Hugh Manatee is the better qualified to understand how to, well, authenticate .... on the other hand,

OrgName: Google Inc.
Address: 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
City: Mountain View
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94043
Country: US
NetRange: -

Artificial Intelligence 04:10, 8 May 2006 (EDT)

What on earth do you mean by telling a fellow syop to “stop vandalising the pages”? This kind of comment is arrogant and impertinent. Thus far, I have tried to be polite in my messages to you as everyone can see. I actually called you a respected member. Your response, with respect, is quite hysterical, as also rude, and you totally fail to grasp the essentials.

It would have been nice if you let me know you had replied to me instead of putting it on another page. Other than you, for the second time. no one has questioned my integrity.

The fact that you go to bizarre and extreme lengths to discover and locate old outdated, and not crucially significant information, as also not to allow any edit, will suggest to some that you have strong personal issues, or involvement, and this is harmful to the entire SW project.

I am sorry to repeat this but just a brief glance of your comments displays an obsessive and conspiracy-type mindset over basically trivial issues. An example of this is your assertion that I along with others appeared to conveniently materialise spontaneously to change a web page.

I would not be made a syop if I focused on one page. You accuse me of showing “disproportionate interest” but you conveniently ignore the fact that my last edit was 9 months ago on that issue.

Ask respected members like AI, Hugh, and Bob what I’ve been doing over the last many months. I’ve set up new pages on all kind of issues, and unlike you I have allowed others to edit and contribute.

The views of others have to be respected. I regret to say you are the only one that is obsessive, you have turned these pages into your personal blogs. No one is allowed to make any edits, you don’t allow it as if its your own private page. My edits were fair and were devoid of any agenda. I have neither praised nor criticised, nor made innuendoes.

I never accused you or anyone of forgery as you want to imply and allege. My point, an obvious one surely, was that impartial observers may judge screen grabs supplied from the personal computers of anonymous SW contributors as being of doubtful provenance. What is rude about that? If you had authentic links you should have put them in before.

You are willing to be rude and offensive to me, yet any comment about a local regional south asian newspaper you immediately condemn as “patronizing and offensive”. Unless you have a very strong regional interests or affiliations I cannot understand your reaction. In any case, my original point still stands, Excelsior chose a selective headline in their own regional interests which you then jumped on. There is no comparison between the reputable Yorkshire Post and the Excelsior, and I don’t think that needs any further comment.

Again, on the Agra point, you expose some kind of personal regional interest. The article was about the peace summit between two leaders and nothing else, and you then selected a quote to attack one of the summit leaders, on an issue not connected with that summit.

You have taken many things totally out of context, indulge in manipulative and selective editing, imply conspiracies, zealously refuse to consider any other SW member edit, and it is this kind of tilted approach which does no justice to SW’s policy of fairness and accuracy. As far as your other points, I have not deleted anything. I have merely made edits to make SW pages look more respectable, and away from your blog type edits. Some things could go in to the APF talk page but do not belong on the main page.

I have to say that it is your approach which is tantamount to “vandalism.” Whatever your personal connections may or may not be to the region or the APF in the past, please kindly refrain from using SW for your own agenda. I am restoring the pages. --Ben Malcom

Asia Pacific Foundation

Neoconned, I'm trying to see if I can mediate this dispute a bit. Please see the Talk:Asia-Pacific Foundation page. You and Ben Malcom are both great contributors to SW and I hate to see you two get bogged down in this stuff.

Best, Conor Kenny, Congresspedia Editor

Bob indicates that the thing over the APF has died down. Can I do anything further on this or should we let sleeping dogs lie?
--Conor Kenny
Hi Conor, Thanks - I don't think there's anything further that needs doing. For now, I'm adding new material to the talk pages, in order to give any other interested parties a chance to raise objections. If I don't hear any objections i'll move it across sometime in the next few weeks. Some of the new material actually addresses Ben Malcom's complaints - for example i've found additional sources for the section on the APF's founding conference. Cheers, --Neoconned 19:36, 19 May 2006 (EDT)


I live in the constituency of Jim Murphy, I've got to say what a good job you've done in researching him. I've added a link, I hope you don't mind. Having had a look at your page what is interesting is that The ID cards stuff that you have put in is also very current as is the nuclear power factor. There are so many new issues to add to that. One final point, I used to work in the NHS and lets say I don't anymore!! so you are covering some key areas. - Stan-Ley

Scots issues intrest me. He supported the Iraq Suppliers, did not mind ward closures etc.- Stan-Ley

Oops! tks! - Stan-Ley

Riggs Bank

The Symington connection leads to some pretty interesting stuff. Artificial Intelligence 09:02, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

James W. Symington, Attorney O'Connor & Hannan L.L.P.

  • "A former Director of the ... the Riggs National Bank, Blair House ..."

ANSWER Yes, the Symingtons are all related, including former AZ Gov. Fife Symington who was indicted, I believe. They appear to be another Bush-like dynasty, Yale, warts, boils, and all. I came across a ref for Fife and Air CIA but have not followed up. Have fun! Artificial Intelligence 10:55, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

Rendition Flights

Posted some loose data on some more flights ... format away! Artificial Intelligence 15:35, 16 May 2006 (EDT)


Florida Corp Searches


Yes, you are correct. I saw the comment section in "Recent changes" you made after a posting but had not checked the article page itself. Just trying to be helpful. Artificial Intelligence 07:51, 18 May 2006 (EDT)

Those Florida files

Hi Neoconned, I have captured and uploaded those Florida files as pdfs and added links into the article page. cheers --Bob Burton 19:17, 20 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks, Bob. --Neoconned 10:11, 21 May 2006 (EDT)

Message from Rcooley

Neoconned, I would greatly appreciate it if you could be honest with me and to all other contributors and reveal your identity. I suspect you used to work in our office but your services were terminated after it was found that you had pornographic images of children. This is not the best way to gain revenge. We can talk about whatever problems you may have. User:Rcooley

What a laughably transparent smear. No, I am not that individual, even supposing that individual ever existed (since in all likelihood you just made up the story about a disgruntled former employee). Let's talk about the problem you have. It is that you can't find a single inaccuracy in the articles. You therefore have to resort to these childish tactics. I've been contributing to SourceWatch for two years now, and have only recently started writing about Tepper Aviation, Inc. I have absolutely no connection with Tepper. The reason i'm writing about them is that I believe, as do many others, that their antics are bad for America, bad for democracy, bad for my country, and just plain wrong. --Neoconned 22:27, 22 May 2006 (EDT)
Neo, I think if I remember correctly that is how you used to like to be called. I’m appealing for you to stop your agenda of revenge. I think if you can be honest with us for just one minute, you know you were the one who had child pornography photos on your computer. I thought we resolved that. I can still help you overcome this problem but this is not the way forward.
Don’t talk to me about democracy or about feeble smears. We have been fighting to ensure democracy remains part of our constitution before you and the rest of the X-Files crew turned up. You can add as many new links and pages as you want for Tepper but you won’t prove a thing nor will you find anything of substance because it does not exist. We’ll be in touch with you soon. Before I forget, how is the cat?
OK that's enough, I'm banning you on the grounds of abuse. If you want to be unbanned, please contact the SourceWatch editor (bob AT and make your case. Good luck. If you really do represent Tepper, as you have implied, you should identify yourself clearly to him. If you are able to point out any inaccuracies in the articles (as you have been repeatedly asked, and have failed to do so), you will find us more than ready to correct them.
If the above tirade is indicative of your general lack of smarts, it's no wonder the other services call you "Clowns International" :) --Neoconned 23:09, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

ATT/NSA Data available

ATT/NSA Docs published by Wired News

Evan Hansen, Why We Published the AT&T Docs", Wired News, May 22, 2006

--hugh_manateee 23:43, 22 May 2006 (EDT)

Hi I have just been emailing a new user who is trying a wiki for the first time. They will be editing the page - so if they need a hand or a bit of help formatting it would be great if you could lend them a hand. I'm about finished for the day. --Bob Burton 06:03, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

No problem Bob, will do. --Neoconned 06:05, 26 May 2006 (EDT)
tks --Bob Burton 06:06, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

Vets for Freedom and VeriSign PAC

checked both those screengrabs - happy to verify you have pics of what I saw. --Bob Burton 16:07, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

Hi, Neo. I've verified that your Verisign screen grabs are accurate for Vets for Freedom, but I don't know how significant it is. Verisign seems to be a company that offers some ecommerce services such as online registration/authentication, and Vets for Freedom may simply be using them as a vendor. --Sheldon Rampton 16:28, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

Hi Sheldon, thanks. You're right to be cautious. But the login and registration pages don't just have VeriSign's name on them - they are specifically for VeriSign's political action committee. (which is mentioned on both the hidden pages) is the website for VeriSign's PAC, not Verisign the corporation. If VFF were simply using VeriSign for ecommerce services, etc (a reasonable inference), why would they provide a login page to the company's political funding arm? --Neoconned 23:16, 31 May 2006 (EDT)
I don't have an answer to that, but an unanswered question does not itself imply a specific answer. It's clear that VFF has a very slick website and that whoever put it together has probably also created websites for Republican political candidates. Look, for example, at the last sentence of their privacy policy, which says, "We may from time to time share the information our visitors provide with other Republican candidates and other like-minded organizations" (emphasis added). Since VFF declares itself to be a nonpartisan organization, I think the phrase "other Republican candidates" slipped in by accident when the web designer cut-and-pasted the privacy policy from one of the other sites he has designed. And in fact, doing a Google search shows that the same language has been used on a number of other websites connected with Republican political candidates.
This being the case, I think it's also plausible that the site designer cut-and-pasted in the Verisign PAC stuff without checking carefully. This doesn't necessarily mean that the site is sponsored by Verisign. It also doesn't necessarily mean that the Republican party is directly involved with it. It may be that the web designer simply has multiple clients, including Republican candidates and also these guys.
In short, these little clues are intriguing, but we should be careful about overinterpreting. --Sheldon Rampton 23:51, 31 May 2006 (EDT)
Yes, the idea of a web developer copying an entire site across and then modifying it for VFF, without removing some "hidden" pages, sounds extremely plausible. I'll modify the article accordingly. Rgds, --Neoconned 06:10, 1 Jun 2006 (EDT)

An Old Friend

Well I guess it’s a small world after all. You may recall that we met at the gathering when Amy Goodman was in London on January 30 last year. I remember you saying you were a big player on a wiki and I’ve been reading SourceWatch articles for a long time but I never put 2 and 2 together that you were talking about SourceWatch. Hope your doing alright geezer. I also recall you said that you always favoured some constructive criticism. Well here goes!

I see you were a little rude to Artificial Intelligence when you stated that AI’s work was poorly referenced and inaccurate as regards the Aviation Worldwide Services, LLC I think you will find that Artificial Intelligence is one of the most reliable people on SourceWatch and your comments smacked of high level arrogance. You need to stop your Cheshire Cat type comments.

Another area where you have some weakness is over that complete nonsense you started over the VeriSign stuff to do with Vets for Freedom. I mean where did you pick that tripe up? Even Sheldon Rampton, one of the most respected investigators on fake news, told you to cool your jets and basically stop following stories that don’t exist. However, what was somewhat stomach churning was your sweet saccharine reply to him. I mean have some backbone, you were so adamant you had come across the greatest secret ever and then you started quivering in your crypt when you were ticked off. [1]

Your articles to do with Extraordinary Rendition are also very disappointing, I mean no one can access all your sources. You seem to be just clueless. Here is an idea genius why don’t you make those articles accessible so we can all see your level of accuracy. And your stuff on Angola and the people connected to UNITA which may well be true, but where are the sources? I suggest you stop writing those pages as you have been doing recently as some of your comments border on being libellous.

One thing I find amazing was how you banned that R Cooley geezer who actually in fact did not say anything rude or abusive. He accused you of something very doggy which obviously touched a raw nerve with you because you suddenly banned him. I hope it is not true. If we look at his last message, he said absolutely nothing wrong. [2] Certainly it is hard to justify those allegations but equally it is impossible to deny them because you won’t publicly reveal who you are. You seem to hide under your codename. He has said something that to me does suggest your connection with Tepper is more than just a recent trend. Also you stated that if he could point to any errors you would look at it. He compiled a list and yet you banned him again. Where was the democracy? Sort it out mate!! I guess that is probably a lot for you to digest so I’ll leave that for now but I have some more suggestions on how you can improve yourself. I’ll speak soon mate. Until next time take care of yourself and each other. (Couch Potato 22:34, 5 Jun 2006 (EDT))

Cor blimey guv! Strike a light! Cockles and eels, innit? Thanks for treating us to that - it's a very amusing example of an American trying to sound like a Londoner. However, we say "dodgy" not "doggy". And "cool your jets" is an American idiom, not a UK idiom. Good effort though :) --Neoconned 23:24, 5 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Desert Rock

Got the desert rock page and will upload a little later this evening. cheers --Bob Burton 02:47, 8 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Thanks Bob. --Neoconned 02:55, 8 Jun 2006 (EDT)
OK I've uploaded the file but I'll leave you to put the link in the most appropriate location(s). Its
Cheers --Bob Burton 04:48, 8 Jun 2006 (EDT)
Thanks Bob, I'll get round to ref'ing it from all the appropriate articles over the next few days. There are quite a few well-known aircraft that seem to have had business out there in the middle of nowhere! --Neoconned 05:26, 8 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Ok, sorry about the glitch. Done now. cheers --Bob Burton 06:10, 9 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Hi, Neo...nice to see you back. Haven't seen you around lately. --Sheldon Rampton 11:57, 13 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Thanks Sheldon, yes I've been concentrating on some non-SW priorities. It's good to be back. :) --Neoconned 12:24, 13 Aug 2006 (EDT)


So this is where you do your dirty deeds. I’m kindly requesting you to leave me and my family alone. Stop calling us. We don’t know anything about Evergreen and I am not related to Delferd Smith. It’s crazy I have to register on a website to communicate with you. What will it take for you to stop your harassment. There has to be some laws of decency, and you keep telling me about being open and honest, why do you hide behind a name and hide you number when you ring? I’m going to complain to the owner of this site. For the peace of my family I beg you one last time to leave us alone.

That's a fairly bizarre message, DevonSmith. And needless to say, it doesn't contain a single truthful statement. Whoever you are, I haven't phoned you or your family. You're the harasser here. In all probability you're the same individual who a few months back was pretending to be from Tepper Aviation, Inc. Any further spam from you on this page will be deleted immediately. --Neoconned 23:31, 14 Aug 2006 (EDT)

NavBar weirdness

hi, Neoconned,

Don't know if this is related to what you're editing currently, but I'm seeing weird random text in the upper right corner of each SW page, above the "Discover SourceWatch" line. Currently, the extra text reads:

PAGENAME = Jonathan Zuck .... FULLPAGENAME = Jonathan Zuck .... BASEPAGENAME=Jonathan Zuck

I noticed you're working on the NavBar template, and so wanted to call this to your attention.

thanks, Diane Farsetta 13:28, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

Peter Tatchell

Dear Neoconned - I represent an organisation based in the UK which tries to 'out' people that attack homosexuals but are in fact inclined that way themselves. I notice that on an entry in the Guardian blog [3] you made an entry about the hypocrisy of Peter Tatchell and you were unfairly attacked by other people for not understanding the purpose of 'outing'. My request is that as you seem to be very prominent on web blogs you could do a very good job in helping to defend homsesuality. It is very refreshing that the gay community in the UK has someone as prominent as you defending our rights against homophobes and people that do not understand the issues. I look forward to your support. - Sourcewatch20500

I hate to disappoint you, but the person who made that posting wasn't me. I'm not really that well-informed about the issues referred to on that page, but in general I admire Tatchell. --Neoconned 05:07, 19 November 2006 (EST)

SW: Wikicite not fully implemented

Neoconned--couldn't help but notice your comment. I've implemented wikicite on a few pages, including Barack Obama. What are your thoughts on the extension and the "full" implementation. Feel free to email me directly at Conoremail.png if you want.--Conor Kenny 23:04, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Hi Conor, thanks for the message. I'm not sufficiently up to date on wikicite to know what the "full" implementation should be... I'll do some reading and drop you an email! In general though, it's clearly a step forward and the results (such as on the Obama page) look very good. However, I hate the way it makes you put the citation details within the body text. Useful antispam image you've got there... --Neoconned 23:21, 23 January 2007 (EST)
Yeah, email me with any thoughts you have. I think a future iteration of MediaWiki should have color coding in the edit window, with code text grayed out or something so it's easier to read. The one advantage to having the source in the body text is that when you split off articles all the sources move with it.--Conor Kenny 11:20, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Flight log uploads 25 Jan 07

Hi Neoconned, I've created the files but there seems to be some barrier to uploading pdfs. Poss something to do with the recent upgrade. Will drop our web crew a note and upload when its fixed. --Bob Burton 01:48, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Hi Neoconned.
Got the uploaded after Sheldon fixed a setting. The links are
cheers, --Bob Burton 04:28, 25 January 2007 (EST)
no problems, happy to help. gott go. cheers --Bob Burton 06:40, 28 January 2007 (EST)